Comments for heaven-storming http://raved.wordpress.com From the Paris Commune to the Oaxaca Commune Sun, 01 Mar 2009 08:28:40 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Oaxaca: When one falls let 50 step forward by Mike http://raved.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/oaxaca-when-one-falls-let-50-step-forward/#comment-716 Mike Sun, 01 Mar 2009 08:28:40 +0000 http://raved.wordpress.com/?p=42#comment-716 Just passing by.Btw, you website have great content! _________________________________ Making Money <a href="http://tinyurl.com/rich-quickly/1062076" rel="nofollow">$150 An Hour</a> Just passing by.Btw, you website have great content!

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]]> Comment on Trotsky:Paris Commune lacked a Party by Otto http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/trotskyparis-commune-lacked-a-party/#comment-558 Otto Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:06:09 +0000 http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/trotskyparis-commune-lacked-a-party/#comment-558 Great Post, Trotsky's analysis is right on. I recently dedicated an album of music to the Paris Commune, you may like it, it's posted for free here: http://ottojazz.wordpress.com/ Great Post, Trotsky’s analysis is right on. I recently dedicated an album of music to the Paris Commune, you may like it, it’s posted for free here:
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]]> Comment on Oaxaca leads the workers and peasants struggle by Renegade Eye http://raved.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/oaxaca-leads-the-workers-and-peasants-struggle/#comment-401 Renegade Eye Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:28:49 +0000 http://raved.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/oaxaca-leads-the-workers-and-peasants-struggle/#comment-401 Don't forget Ken Loach's "Land and Freedom movie. Regards. Don’t forget Ken Loach’s “Land and Freedom movie.

Regards.

]]> Comment on Oaxaca leads the workers and peasants struggle by Comrade Khalif http://raved.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/oaxaca-leads-the-workers-and-peasants-struggle/#comment-272 Comrade Khalif Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:40:58 +0000 http://raved.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/oaxaca-leads-the-workers-and-peasants-struggle/#comment-272 where is the commune today? it almost looks like an information black hole, because your article is the latest I can find. Please send an e-mail. where is the commune today?

it almost looks like an information black hole, because your article is the latest I can find.

Please send an e-mail.

]]> Comment on A Oaxaca Commune? by laura http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/15/a-oaxaca-commune/#comment-270 laura Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:02:39 +0000 http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/15/a-oaxaca-commune/#comment-270 still the same in Oax, in 2008 ? A traveller to your lands still the same in Oax, in 2008 ? A traveller to your lands

]]> Comment on Oaxaca: The End of Tolerance by raved http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/oaxaca-the-end-of-tolerance/#comment-9 raved Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:42:39 +0000 http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/oaxaca-the-end-of-tolerance/#comment-9 I think this article about the most recent attacks by the PFP and the PRIista gunmen on the APPO shows that PAN is just a front for the PRI. PAN needs the PRI patronage institutions of state governors and porros (armed thugs) to stop more APPOs rising up and created a revolutionary mass movement behind AMLO's alternative government. That's why what appears at first sight as a state issue - the forced resignation of Ruiz - has now became a test of the PAN succession and of Calderon's insistence that APPO be suppressed before December 1. It proves all along that the PAN/PRI regime also depends on the failure of the PRD to mobilise support in the states it controls and in the unions it controls behind the APPO. Its reasons for doing so are a fear that this would unleash a potential spread of APPOs throughout Mexico that would split the PRD and replace the AMLO project to 'compromise' with both the PAN/PRI regime and with imperialism. To fight this national pro-imperialist regime of PAN on the right and PRD on the left hinging off the PRI centre, the APPO can only survive if it succeeds in mobilising not only popular protests and marches in alliance with the EZLN, but must include demands on the the rank and file of the PRD to give force to their demands for a democratic government by building APPOs eveywhere, and even more importantly in mobilising mass strikes of the teachers union, the miners, steelworkers, state employees etc. A unified, coordinated general strike would unleash the true power of the proletariat in alliance with the peasantry, and put pressure on the federal and state state forces to support the working class against the officers and the pro-imperialist regime. I think this article about the most recent attacks by the PFP and the PRIista gunmen on the APPO shows that PAN is just a front for the PRI. PAN needs the PRI patronage institutions of state governors and porros (armed thugs) to stop more APPOs rising up and created a revolutionary mass movement behind AMLO’s alternative government.

That’s why what appears at first sight as a state issue – the forced resignation of Ruiz – has now became a test of the PAN succession and of Calderon’s insistence that APPO be suppressed before December 1.

It proves all along that the PAN/PRI regime also depends on the failure of the PRD to mobilise support in the states it controls and in the unions it controls behind the APPO.
Its reasons for doing so are a fear that this would unleash a potential spread of APPOs throughout Mexico that would split the PRD and replace the AMLO project to ‘compromise’ with both the PAN/PRI regime and with imperialism.

To fight this national pro-imperialist regime of PAN on the right and PRD on the left hinging off the PRI centre, the APPO can only survive if it succeeds in mobilising not only popular protests and marches in alliance with the EZLN, but must include demands on the the rank and file of the PRD to give force to their demands for a democratic government by building APPOs eveywhere, and even more importantly in mobilising mass strikes of the teachers union, the miners, steelworkers, state employees etc.

A unified, coordinated general strike would unleash the true power of the proletariat in alliance with the peasantry, and put pressure on the federal and state state forces to support the working class against the officers and the pro-imperialist regime.

]]> Comment on A Oaxaca Commune? by raved http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/15/a-oaxaca-commune/#comment-8 raved Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:48:32 +0000 http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/15/a-oaxaca-commune/#comment-8 The Internationalist misses the boat in this article. Of course it is true that the Oaxaca Commune is not yet a 'dictatorship of the proletariat'. But then despite Marx's 'christening' of the Paris Commune it failed to exercise a dictatorship in practice. In terms of class composition the APPO is every bit as proletarian as the Paris Commune led as it is by the teachers who are veterans of the struggle for union democracy. And if it is a problem of petty bourgeois leadership, read what Trotsky had to say about the petty bourgeois vacillators at the head of the Paris Commune who missed the opportunity to take power. As the earlier posts on this blog show, what is significant is not any difference in the proletarian composition of Paris vs Oaxaca, nor failure of democratic organisation as such, but the common lack of a revolutionary proletarian leadership that can organise, discipline and direct the the armed force of the Commune against the state. Even the belief that 'peaceful' resistance is necessary to avert destruction, and the limited objective of removing the reactionary government, are shared by the two Communes. The disastrous march of the Paris Commune to Versailles to 'negotiate' terms with the government is no different to the Oaxaca leadership trying to negotiate Ruiz removal with Fox. The Paris Commune failed to implement a 'dictatorship of the proletariat' and was destroyed and the lessons of this defeat need to be urgently applied in Oaxaca today. It is not sufficient to simply state that a 'revolutionary party' is needed. Yes, that goes without saying. But what role is such a party to take in relation to the Commune and other 'sectors' (not classes) in struggle? There are plenty of 'left' organisations raising programs of sorts most of them reformist. But what are the fundamental planks to any revolutionary program in this situation? # Calls for links to the organised industrial workforce to strike and build for a general strike to bring down the PAN government. #Calls to the EZLN to make all its resources available to support the APPO in Oaxaca and nationally. # Enlisting the support of the rank and file of the PRD and CND in building APPOs everywhere to split them away from the AMLO leadership of the PRD. # Forming APPOs (councils or soviets - remember the soviets contained not only poor peasants but rich peasants for a time) and 'militias' to defend the masses in struggle. # Call on the military to refuse to shoot the masses and to form soldiers committees and open the military arsensals to the masses. The Internationalist misses the boat in this article.
Of course it is true that the Oaxaca Commune is not yet a ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’. But then despite Marx’s ‘christening’ of the Paris Commune it failed to exercise a dictatorship in practice.
In terms of class composition the APPO is every bit as proletarian as the Paris Commune led as it is by the teachers who are veterans of the struggle for union democracy. And if it is a problem of petty bourgeois leadership, read what Trotsky had to say about the petty bourgeois vacillators at the head of the Paris Commune who missed the opportunity to take power.
As the earlier posts on this blog show, what is significant is not any difference in the proletarian composition of Paris vs Oaxaca, nor failure of democratic organisation as such, but the common lack of a revolutionary proletarian leadership that can organise, discipline and direct the the armed force of the Commune against the state.
Even the belief that ‘peaceful’ resistance is necessary to avert destruction, and the limited objective of removing the reactionary government, are shared by the two Communes. The disastrous march of the Paris Commune to Versailles to ‘negotiate’ terms with the government is no different to the Oaxaca leadership trying to negotiate Ruiz removal with Fox.
The Paris Commune failed to implement a ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’ and was destroyed and the lessons of this defeat need to be urgently applied in Oaxaca today.
It is not sufficient to simply state that a ‘revolutionary party’ is needed. Yes, that goes without saying. But what role is such a party to take in relation to the Commune and other ’sectors’ (not classes) in struggle? There are plenty of ‘left’ organisations raising programs of sorts most of them reformist. But what are the fundamental planks to any revolutionary program in this situation?
# Calls for links to the organised industrial workforce to strike and build for a general strike to bring down the PAN government.
#Calls to the EZLN to make all its resources available to support the APPO in Oaxaca and nationally.
# Enlisting the support of the rank and file of the PRD and CND in building APPOs everywhere to split them away from the AMLO leadership of the PRD.
# Forming APPOs (councils or soviets – remember the soviets contained not only poor peasants but rich peasants for a time) and ‘militias’ to defend the masses in struggle.
# Call on the military to refuse to shoot the masses and to form soldiers committees and open the military arsensals to the masses.

]]> Comment on A National Assembly of APPOs and a peoples militia by ricardo http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/06/21/#comment-7 ricardo Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:41:23 +0000 http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/06/21/#comment-7 See Oaxaca Fights Back! http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/3688 See Oaxaca Fights Back!
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/3688

]]> Comment on A National Assembly of APPOs and a peoples militia by raved http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/06/21/#comment-6 raved Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:25:09 +0000 http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/06/21/#comment-6 Link to US petition in support of APPO and against its repression http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/466069042?ltl=1162848223 Link to US petition in support of APPO and against its repression
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/466069042?ltl=1162848223

]]> Comment on A National Assembly of APPOs and a peoples militia by Tahoma Activist http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/06/21/#comment-5 Tahoma Activist Mon, 06 Nov 2006 05:06:08 +0000 http://raved.wordpress.com/2006/11/06/21/#comment-5 I like your analysis - I located you through Google Blogs - would you link ot a petition I put online for American legislators? I know it's a Quixotic attempt, but it's the least I can do: <a href="http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/466069042" rel="nofollow">here it is</a> I like your analysis – I located you through Google Blogs – would you link ot a petition I put online for American legislators? I know it’s a Quixotic attempt, but it’s the least I can do: here it is

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